4x800 All-Time Top 10
02/22/2021 11:39:36 AM
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With the inclusion of the 4x800m in the State series, and the advancement of shoe technology we're seeing now, how long do you think it will take to completely rewrite the Top 10 list?
With the inclusion of the 4x800m in the State series, and the advancement of shoe technology we're seeing now, how long do you think it will take to completely rewrite the Top 10 list?
02/22/2021 12:18:22 PM
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@lisle33 Here is the girl's list: 1 Akande, Williams, V. Winslow, A. Winslow, 9:10.91 Collins Hill Nike Outdoor Nationals (NC) 6-20-08 2 Faust, Davis, Bowen, Ilse 9:17.06 Marist New Balance Nationals (NC) 6-15-14 3 Akande, S. Williams, Crawford, A. Winslow 9:21.11 Collins Hill Taco Bell Classic (SC) 4-11-08 4 Burwell, Onyeukwu, Chamberlain, Robertson 9:22.44 Walton Westminster Relays 4-13-19 5 Schwarzmann, Nobis, Morrow, Robb 9:24.60 Walton 1992 5 Faust, Davis, Nelson, Ilse 9:25.28 Marist Golden Bear Relays 3-24-14 6 Carnahan, Dupont, Bergey, Maisel 9:26.36 South Forsyth Mobile Challenge of Champions (AL) 4-4-15 7 Cadeau, McLean, de Castro, Dupont 9:26.56 South Forsyth Bojangles Classic (SC) 4-13-18 8 Robbins, Brown, Ramseur, Daly 9:28.17 Southwest DeKalb Taco Bell Classic (SC) 4-8-06 9 Bergey, Carnahan, Dupont, Maisel 9:28.73 South Forsyth Florida Relays 4-1-16 10 Ptacek, Murray, Tillery, Luskus 9:28.67 West Forsyth Region Tune-Up 4-16-19
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Here is the girl's list:
1 Akande, Williams, V. Winslow, A. Winslow, 9:10.91 Collins Hill Nike Outdoor Nationals (NC) 6-20-08
2 Faust, Davis, Bowen, Ilse 9:17.06 Marist New Balance Nationals (NC) 6-15-14
3 Akande, S. Williams, Crawford, A. Winslow 9:21.11 Collins Hill Taco Bell Classic (SC) 4-11-08
4 Burwell, Onyeukwu, Chamberlain, Robertson 9:22.44 Walton Westminster Relays 4-13-19
5 Schwarzmann, Nobis, Morrow, Robb 9:24.60 Walton 1992
5 Faust, Davis, Nelson, Ilse 9:25.28 Marist Golden Bear Relays 3-24-14
6 Carnahan, Dupont, Bergey, Maisel 9:26.36 South Forsyth Mobile Challenge of Champions (AL) 4-4-15
7 Cadeau, McLean, de Castro, Dupont 9:26.56 South Forsyth Bojangles Classic (SC) 4-13-18
8 Robbins, Brown, Ramseur, Daly 9:28.17 Southwest DeKalb Taco Bell Classic (SC) 4-8-06
9 Bergey, Carnahan, Dupont, Maisel 9:28.73 South Forsyth Florida Relays 4-1-16
10 Ptacek, Murray, Tillery, Luskus 9:28.67 West Forsyth Region Tune-Up 4-16-19
02/22/2021 12:19:05 PM
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@lisle33 And the boys: 1 Whorton, Williams, Muse, Collins 7:46.95 Alexander New Balance Nationals (NC) 6-17-17 2 Jenkins, Winfrey, Rambo, Williams 7:49.6 Therrell Westminster Relays 1978 3 Hewitt, Anyan, Brennan, Wearn 7:51.45 Brookwood Florida Relays 4-3-10 4 Houston, Freeman, Williams, Hughes 7:51.8 Northeast Jefferson Relays 1977 5 Whitt, Blevens, Moore, Miller 7:53.4 Baker Florida Relays 1966 6 Albrecht, Thorne, N/A, N/A 7:54.70 Lakeside Dekalb Vs. Westminster 4-17-02 7 K. Smith, Giuliano, Brennan, Wearn 7:55.76 Brookwood Coaches Invitational 3-18-11 8 Frasier, Wilson, Churley, Guglielmo 7:55.91 Collins Hill Coaches Invitational 3-17-06 8 Potts, Arnold, Shelton, Hubers 7:55.91 McEachern Taco Bell Classic (SC) 4-7-06 10 Robinson, Brennan, Wearn, Hewitt 7:55.93 Brookwood Coaches Invitational 3-20-10
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And the boys:
1 Whorton, Williams, Muse, Collins 7:46.95 Alexander New Balance Nationals (NC) 6-17-17
2 Jenkins, Winfrey, Rambo, Williams 7:49.6 Therrell Westminster Relays 1978
3 Hewitt, Anyan, Brennan, Wearn 7:51.45 Brookwood Florida Relays 4-3-10
4 Houston, Freeman, Williams, Hughes 7:51.8 Northeast Jefferson Relays 1977
5 Whitt, Blevens, Moore, Miller 7:53.4 Baker Florida Relays 1966
6 Albrecht, Thorne, N/A, N/A 7:54.70 Lakeside Dekalb Vs. Westminster 4-17-02
7 K. Smith, Giuliano, Brennan, Wearn 7:55.76 Brookwood Coaches Invitational 3-18-11
8 Frasier, Wilson, Churley, Guglielmo 7:55.91 Collins Hill Coaches Invitational 3-17-06
8 Potts, Arnold, Shelton, Hubers 7:55.91 McEachern Taco Bell Classic (SC) 4-7-06
10 Robinson, Brennan, Wearn, Hewitt 7:55.93 Brookwood Coaches Invitational 3-20-10
02/23/2021 7:58:16 AM
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@lisle33 Depends on what you mean by "rewrite" I think. If you mean how long until we get 10 times faster than 9:10 and 7:46, then I think it'll be a while. But I do think we will see at least 5 new teams on each list by the end of next season. What is both interesting and very frustrating to me is the fact that the 4x800m relay is not on the day of running finals at the state meet. The GHSA rules clinic told me that it's supposed to be the first event before the 4x100m relay...and yet none of the 3 different state meet schedules reflect that. Imagine how much faster, for example, Marietta's 4x800m relay would be with Kamari Miller on it giving an all out effort after already winning the 1600 and 3200.
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Depends on what you mean by "rewrite" I think. If you mean how long until we get 10 times faster than 9:10 and 7:46, then I think it'll be a while. But I do think we will see at least 5 new teams on each list by the end of next season.

What is both interesting and very frustrating to me is the fact that the 4x800m relay is not on the day of running finals at the state meet. The GHSA rules clinic told me that it's supposed to be the first event before the 4x100m relay...and yet none of the 3 different state meet schedules reflect that. Imagine how much faster, for example, Marietta's 4x800m relay would be with Kamari Miller on it giving an all out effort after already winning the 1600 and 3200.
02/23/2021 10:00:50 AM
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@spxcoachrm The reasoning I heard is that people didn't want their open 800 final qualifiers to have to run the 4 x 800 and the 800 final on the same day. My counter to that would be that you can choose not to run them on the 4 x 800 and allow other athletes the chance to shine in the 4 x 800, if that is a concern of yours. Also, with 8 relay names allowed, if they don't make the 800 final, then they are available for the 4 x 800. All part of the strategizing of another event that is an opportunity for points (and more kids getting the State Meet experience).
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The reasoning I heard is that people didn't want their open 800 final qualifiers to have to run the 4 x 800 and the 800 final on the same day. My counter to that would be that you can choose not to run them on the 4 x 800 and allow other athletes the chance to shine in the 4 x 800, if that is a concern of yours. Also, with 8 relay names allowed, if they don't make the 800 final, then they are available for the 4 x 800. All part of the strategizing of another event that is an opportunity for points (and more kids getting the State Meet experience).
02/23/2021 10:08:34 AM
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@coachac Perhaps we should add a 4th day to the meet then. That way the kids who do the 400 and 4x400 and the kids who do the 100 and 4x100 don't have to do both on the same day...With the 4x200 coming next year, I guess day four could just be reserved for the 4 relays...
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Perhaps we should add a 4th day to the meet then. That way the kids who do the 400 and 4x400 and the kids who do the 100 and 4x100 don't have to do both on the same day...With the 4x200 coming next year, I guess day four could just be reserved for the 4 relays...
02/23/2021 5:51:35 PM
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@spxcoachrm I saw a kid once do the pole vault, 3200, triple jump, 300 hurdles quadruple. So, we probably need to have those on separate days, too. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: why we can't just go with NFHS' schedule is beyond me. As to the original post, I believe we will also see the open 800 get very competitive very quickly. Not sure we'll see the open 800 record books re-written exactly (sub-1:50 & sub 2:10 is legit). But, instead of 1:58-2:00 & 2:17-2:20 regularly scoring at state, we might see that turn into needing to run 1:56 or better & 2:14-2:15 or better to score every year.
@spxcoachrm I saw a kid once do the pole vault, 3200, triple jump, 300 hurdles quadruple. So, we probably need to have those on separate days, too. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: why we can't just go with NFHS' schedule is beyond me.

As to the original post, I believe we will also see the open 800 get very competitive very quickly. Not sure we'll see the open 800 record books re-written exactly (sub-1:50 & sub 2:10 is legit). But, instead of 1:58-2:00 & 2:17-2:20 regularly scoring at state, we might see that turn into needing to run 1:56 or better & 2:14-2:15 or better to score every year.
02/24/2021 8:51:03 AM
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@GACARTER Totally agree. NFHS schedule should be what we follow. Hopefully we switch to that next year when we add the 4x200. As for the open 800, I'm not sure I'm convinced it'll get significantly better. We will see. But what I'm personally most interested in is what happens to kids who do the 4x800 and the open 800 at state (and possibly other events) versus kids who only do the open 800. In 5A/6A we have the 4x800 and 800 prelims on the same day. Will we see kids run, for example, 1:57 on the relay and then come back and not qualify for the finals in the open because they're tired? Supposedly doing the 4x800 and the 800 final on the same day is too taxing for them. So will it be too hard to do the 4x800 and 800 prelim? In other classes will we see a kid get really tired by finals after going 800 prelims day 1, 4x8 day 2, and 800 finals on day 3? What if a kid does the 4x800 and then runs the 1600? Will their 1600 time suffer? How about a kid who does the 400, 800, 4x4 prelims on day 1, the 4x800 on day 2, and then the 400, 800, 4x400 on day 3? They might not survive that much running. All of that to say that I'm most curious to see how coaches handle the kids who they want on their relay and are good enough to score in open events. That second hand explanation coach Christie gave us is inconsistent at best. NFHS has already figured out the best way to do our sport, why do we think we are smarter?
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Totally agree. NFHS schedule should be what we follow. Hopefully we switch to that next year when we add the 4x200.

As for the open 800, I'm not sure I'm convinced it'll get significantly better. We will see. But what I'm personally most interested in is what happens to kids who do the 4x800 and the open 800 at state (and possibly other events) versus kids who only do the open 800. In 5A/6A we have the 4x800 and 800 prelims on the same day. Will we see kids run, for example, 1:57 on the relay and then come back and not qualify for the finals in the open because they're tired? Supposedly doing the 4x800 and the 800 final on the same day is too taxing for them. So will it be too hard to do the 4x800 and 800 prelim? In other classes will we see a kid get really tired by finals after going 800 prelims day 1, 4x8 day 2, and 800 finals on day 3? What if a kid does the 4x800 and then runs the 1600? Will their 1600 time suffer? How about a kid who does the 400, 800, 4x4 prelims on day 1, the 4x800 on day 2, and then the 400, 800, 4x400 on day 3? They might not survive that much running.

All of that to say that I'm most curious to see how coaches handle the kids who they want on their relay and are good enough to score in open events. That second hand explanation coach Christie gave us is inconsistent at best. NFHS has already figured out the best way to do our sport, why do we think we are smarter?
02/24/2021 8:56:49 AM
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@spxcoachrm Your last sentence is an excellent point. I can understand not following the crowd just for the sake of following. But when the majority of States or the NFHS does something that makes sense, it seems like we should follow suit.
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Your last sentence is an excellent point. I can understand not following the crowd just for the sake of following. But when the majority of States or the NFHS does something that makes sense, it seems like we should follow suit.
02/24/2021 12:12:55 PM
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To the OP: Those lists won't be easy to make but there will be a lot more opportunities than in the past, plus the state meet having the relay makes a huge difference. We have seen some pretty spectacular jumps happen at the state meet so you have to believe it will happen with the 4x8. For it to happen at state would be assuming teams are loaded which I don't think will be that common of a trend. I'm sure 99% of coaches REALLY want to put their A squad out there but just won't due to open events and schedules as mentioned. Worth noting that the list is already populated with some A and B squads from the same years- so teams with potential to make the list usually have crazy potential to make the list. That said, teams showing early potential for the lists(feel free to add likely I'm overlooking a lot at this point): Boys: 1. Alexander: 2:01/2:02/2:04/2:08(currently the closest team to getting it done as far as I see. Robinson will get 3 of these guys sub 2:00 and probably 1 to 1:55.) 2. Harrison: Reasoning-- Buchheit(1:54) + Sully + Connelly + ? 3. Westminster: Fernando + 2:00 + 2:01 + ? 4. Denmark: The return of Karthik(do they have the 800 depth after him and Ashley?) 5. BT: 2:01/2:03/2:03+ ? 6. Marist: 1:59/2:02/2:06 + ? 7. HI ??? Sapone(?) + Weldon(1:59) + 2:08/2:10 Girls: Much more difficult to tell at this point...averaging 2:22 is some task. Definitely need some help here. List is largely based on firepower from XC and showing early track potential. 1. Pius: 2 sub 2:20 girls on the roster + xc depth 2. BT: 2:24/ 2:30/ 2:32 + xc depth 3. Marist: 2:22/2:26/ 2:33 already. 4. Marietta: 2:22/2:25 + xc depth
To the OP:

Those lists won't be easy to make but there will be a lot more opportunities than in the past, plus the state meet having the relay makes a huge difference. We have seen some pretty spectacular jumps happen at the state meet so you have to believe it will happen with the 4x8.

For it to happen at state would be assuming teams are loaded which I don't think will be that common of a trend. I'm sure 99% of coaches REALLY want to put their A squad out there but just won't due to open events and schedules as mentioned. Worth noting that the list is already populated with some A and B squads from the same years- so teams with potential to make the list usually have crazy potential to make the list.

That said, teams showing early potential for the lists(feel free to add likely I'm overlooking a lot at this point):

Boys:
1. Alexander: 2:01/2:02/2:04/2:08(currently the closest team to getting it done as far as I see. Robinson will get 3 of these guys sub 2:00 and probably 1 to 1:55.)
2. Harrison: Reasoning-- Buchheit(1:54) + Sully + Connelly + ?
3. Westminster: Fernando + 2:00 + 2:01 + ?
4. Denmark: The return of Karthik(do they have the 800 depth after him and Ashley?)
5. BT: 2:01/2:03/2:03+ ?
6. Marist: 1:59/2:02/2:06 + ?
7. HI ??? Sapone(?) + Weldon(1:59) + 2:08/2:10

Girls: Much more difficult to tell at this point...averaging 2:22 is some task. Definitely need some help here. List is largely based on firepower from XC and showing early track potential.

1. Pius: 2 sub 2:20 girls on the roster + xc depth
2. BT: 2:24/ 2:30/ 2:32 + xc depth
3. Marist: 2:22/2:26/ 2:33 already.
4. Marietta: 2:22/2:25 + xc depth

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